Bishop Bows Down to Allah – Updated

I was blogging out Little Green Football’s new post that Iranian President Ahmadinejad says that the only salvation for Mankind is to have Islam rule Mankind (Another words for the liberals, convert or die). When I saw an intersting article on Bishop Tiny Muskens, who feels that it might help resolve the indifferences between faiths if all religions called G”d Allah. Oh my F’in Allah. Can you believe this? This is the final step to Islamification.

A proposal by a Roman Catholic bishop in the Netherlands that people of all faiths refer to God as “Allah” is not sitting well with the Catholic community.

Tiny Muskens, an outgoing bishop who is retiring in a few weeks from the southern diocese of Breda, said God doesn’t care what he is called.

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn’t we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? … What does God care what we call him? It is our problem,” Muskens told Dutch television.

“I’m sure his intentions are good but his theology needs a little fine-tuning,” said Father Jonathan Morris, a Roman Catholic priest based in Rome. Morris, a news analyst for FOX News Channel, also called the idea impractical.

“Words and names mean things,” Morris said. “Referring to God as Allah means something.”

Ibrahim Hooper, a spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, a Washington, D.C.-based Islamic civil liberties and advocacy group, backs the idea as a way to help interfaith understanding.

“It reinforces the fact that Muslims, Christians and Jews all worship the same God,” Hooper told “I don’t think the name is as important as the belief in God and following God’s moral principles. I think that’s true for all faiths.”

Christians who are Arabic speakers speak of Allah when they speak of God, Hooper added.

“There’s not a theological leap to make on the part of Christians,” Hooper said.

The Council of Islamic Organizations of Greater Chicago supports the idea.

“I think it will open up doors,” said Janaan Hashim, a spokeswoman for the group representing more than 400,000 Muslim Americans in the Chicago area. “Language is a man-made limitation. I think what God cares about is how we fulfill our purpose in life.”

The nation’s largest Catholic civil rights group says Catholics won’t get behind the proposal.

“Bishop Martinus “Tiny” Muskens can pray to “Allah” all he wants, but only addlepated Catholics will follow his lead,” Bill Donohue, president of the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights, said in a statement. “It is not a good sign when members of the Catholic hierarchy indulge in a fawning exchange with Muslims, or those of any other religion.”

Muskens spent eight years in Indonesia, where he said priests used the word “Allah” during Mass.

Muskens also has drawn attention for other ideas such as encouraging the hungry to steal bread and offering condoms to combat HIV and AIDS.

It does not reinforce the fact that Muslims, Christians and Jews have the same roots, it reinforced that Muslim Extremists can rule the world. 

Well, I really can say much more about this, other than maybe we should listen to Ahmajinejad and covert now before it is to late.

Iran’s designated madman president said today that the only salvation for mankind is the rule of Islam.

 President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said here Tuesday that rule of Islam on mankind is the only way for salvation of human beings.

“There is no truth on earth but monotheism and following tenets of Islam and there is no way for salvation of mankind but rule of Islam over mankind,” said Ahmadinejad in a meeting with Afghan Sunni and Shiite ulama at Iranian Embassy in Kabul.

President Ahmadinejad said nations are today distancing themselves from culture of materialism and selfishness and look for a new way for their prosperity, that is the path of Islam. He said that the world is on verge of a great upheaval and ulama at this juncture shoulder a heavy responsibility that is introducing genuine Islam as it is.

“Nations today have no haven but religion,” the Iranian president announced, cautioning Muslim nations against enemies’ divisive plots. He said, “All of us have the duty to resist the enemy by closing our ranks.”

In the words of Borat … NOT!

Minor Update, just scrolled further down on LGF’s page and found the blog on this

The Roman Catholic bishop of Breda in the Netherlands wants Christians to start praying to Allah.

To promote healing and tolerance.

The Bishop of Breda, Tiny Muskens, wants people to start calling God Allah. He says the Netherlands should look to Indonesia, where the Christian churches already pray to Allah. It is also common in the Arab world: Christian and Muslim Arabs use the words God and Allah interchangeably.

Speaking on the Dutch TV programme Network on Monday evening, Bishop Muskens says it could take another 100 years but eventually the name Allah will be used by Dutch churches. And that will promote rapprochement between the two religions. …

More than 30 years ago Bishop Muskens worked in Indonesia and, there, God was called Allah, even in Catholic churches. The Dutch should learn to get on spontaneously with different cultures, religions and behaviour patterns:

“Someone like me has prayed to Allah yang maha kuasa (Almighty God) for eight years in Indonesia and other priests for 20 or 30 years. In the heart of the Eucharist, God is called Allah over there, so why can’t we start doing that together?” …

Bishop Muskens proposal will undoubtedly receive a warm welcome from the Islamic community in the Netherlands.



To clarify two points. There is a distinction bewteen the meaning/translation of a word verses a proper name. The arabic word Allah does mean god and yes christians that speak arabic use the word Allah, because that is the word in the arabic language. That differs from how Muslims use the proper name Allah, to mean G”d. In English god means Allah, however when used in Christian or Jews circles when referenece G”d”, it is being used as a proper name.

Second why not have the Muslims call Allah G”d? What do you think would happen? I will tell you, they will be offended, issue Fatwahs, begin Jihad and kill people. I am of course referring to the extremists.

Additionally even if everyone referred to G”d as Allah it will not make a difference to those same extremists because we have not coverted. It is not about what we call our G”d by name, but rather the religion we follow.

Now the second point I need to clarify is that I am Agnostic. I was raised Roman Catholic however I gave up my faith many years ago, so why the passion in this topic, because it is another step our society is taking in the name of “tolerance” and giving up our identity and bending our values/beliefs/ways of life for others. If they want to come to our countries, they need to be tolerant, integrate and be respectful of why we believe in.

BBC Radio contacted me to be part of this World Have Your Say broadcast, however I was unable to participate. Here is the podcast on it. You need RealPlayer to access.


3 Responses

  1. Dear Sir, I work for BBC World Service radio in London and in our programme, World Have Your Say, today (Friday 17th August) between 1300 to 1500 East Coast Time in the US we will be talking about the suggestion by the Dutch Archbishop that Christians should call God Allah, and were wondering if the author of Bishop Bows Down to Allah would be interested in taking part in our programme. Please call me on +442075570635 or email your phone numbers and I will call you straight back.

  2. The problem here is the same problem with all the attempts to appease the Islamic beast. Islam is not interested in “rapprochement” with other faiths. It is interested in one thing only: world conquest.

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